How Much Do You Pay for the إشتراك موتور ?

Ayman · 2010-09-04T17:30:03+00:00

Hey guys, today the guy responsible for the إشتراك موتور which we are demanded a crazy monthly price of $75 that is to be paid for the month of September(ye...

J4D

nope, it has its own weather proofing and sound insulation :) We don't want our neighbors to kill us :D

Padre

You can get one of these cheap "with silencer" engines, but they are noisy and defective (the Chinese made ones)
you can setup up your own ats system with them, but their regulators are really crap and NEVER turn them off under load.
Resume: cheap, but you get what you pay for

PS: we pay 100$ for 15amps

vengeance666

well i live in the region of zahle , price per kilo ( thats what they say ) is 600LL , well with pc on 24 hours a day,tv always on,sometime AC,fridge always on etccc ... we maximum had 40$ or 50$ a month as a bill , my cousin lives in aindara they take like 50$ per month and crappy subscription,i always tell him why u never stand up against this?at least they deserve electricity after midnight :\ anyway that's what led lebanese people to this , ignorance and surrendering to the reality , without trying to change anything...

and yea we have 20 amp..

Kassem

Well I live in Dahye and we have a generator in the building I live in (just like xterm). Unfortunately, it's shared among two buildings so we only get 5AMP for around 40$. The generator doesn't turn on whenever the power goes out, there's a schedule for it.

I believe jadberro's solution is the best. Actually, I already talked to my parents about this a few weeks ago. But the generator costs around 1200$ so we'll have to wait for next summer. If the terribly situation stays as is, we're going to buy a generator.

Flakk

Well the last time i payed the bill was 45$ for 5 amps. But at that price the whole thing is pretty bad, our supplier's generator seems overloaded so every 15 minutes the electricity cuts off and we have to wait like 5 to 10 minutes to get it back.

Bassem

Today I paid 80$ for a measly 5 Amperes...
80 dollars!
Dekwaneh.

Gomez012

My building has it's own generator, we just pay for the petrol.

Xsever

@Gomez012

Could you please tell us how many apartments are in your building and how much petrol do you pay a month?

Thanks,

practo

Here's some quick math I did, just to show how much you pay for the "moteur" people vs. what someone like me pays for electricity here in the US.

5 Ampere at 220 V equals 1100 W.

Let's say you only get 12 hours of EDL "kahraba". It means you will use 12 hours of Moteur time. (I assume this is more than what people actually use moteur, but let's be conservative.)

Also, let's assume you will have everything that you could possibly have on with the 5 A limit. (I also think this is an overstatement but let's be conservative)

This means that 1100 W (which is equal to 1.1 kW) x 12 hours per day x 30 days per months = 396 kWh

396 kWh is the maximum you can use in one month according to the assumptions. In reality, you are probably getting more than 12 hours of EDL kahraba, the breakers these people install will probably open the circuit way before the load is at 5A and a large majority of the time, you won't even have a load that is near 1.1 kW (at night, etc.)

At $75 a month and because this is a flat rate it means the minimum you will be paying for "moteur" electricity is 19 cents per kWh. That's actually not as bad as I expected it would be when I started doing the math, but you have to keep in mind that that number is way too conservative and that you are actually probably paying more like 30 cents per kWh.

As a reference, I think I pay around 14-15 cents right now for electricity in Boston, whereas some other parts of the US where coal and especially hydro power plants exist pay something like 4-5 cents per kWh.

From what I hear, most power plants in Lebanon use Fuel Oil (does anyone know if they use #6 or#2?) whereas most power plants where I live are Natural Gas, which, last I heard was what new power plants in Lebanon are going to be using.

For reference: http://goo.gl/SIa1

rolf

I did a little math too according to numbers given by Xsever for Canada:

7 am to 11 am 7.6¢/kWh
11 am to 5 pm 9.1¢/kWh
5 pm to 10 pm 7.6¢/kWh
10 pm to 7 am 4.2¢/kWh

Using your calculation (5 AMP = 1.1kWh) then taking the most expensive use scenario for 12 hours electricity: from 5 am to 5 pm... in Canada it averages to 9.1+7.6 / 2 = 8.4c

Uh where was I... oh ok so 1.1 x 8.4 x 12h x 30 = 3326c = $33.25 (actually more like $32 if these are Canadian cents Xsever was mentioning)

That's what it would cost you to use 5A (100% of them... all the time) during the 12 most expensive (peak) hours of the day, that is from 5am to 5pm. But that is really the maximum.

And what are the EDL rates?

Xsever

Nice calculations there guys. You really got the Engineering Brain in me working although it's simple math coupled with simple notions :D

I could not submit some calculations sooner since I was busy with university, but this is also my area of study as practo knows!

I remember reading in a report dating back to 2008 that EDL sells power at these rates: $0.14/KWh for private customers (residential) and $0.09/KWh for industrial customers. The cost for EDL was $0.42/KWh hence a $2 Billion loss per year.

I also heard this year during my visit that the first 600 KWh have a rate and then after that there is another rate. I am not sure if this is correct.

In addition, the rates where I live now in Canada went up since a lot of wind farms are opening in this area. This is driving the rates up, but it means cleaner energy and politics of course :P On the other hand, they implement smart metering where each time period has a different rate based on on-peak or off-peak hours.

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